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Premillennialism, the Historical Covenants, and Typology
A recent article from a progressive dispensational viewpoint lists 12 points regarding the biblical (historical) covenants and how they should be understood. In a few online discussion groups, some people have interacted with the various points, citing their own responses to some of the points or noting areas of agreement and difference. From the question asked in a group for historic (classic) premillennialism, as to how historic premillennialism would agree or disagree with these points, come the following general observations regarding where historic (covenantal) premillennialism differs from this (at least what is stated in this particular post):
- Difference regarding the “church age” (point 10). The description here reflects dispensational ideas (contrary to the covenantal view) such as no indwelling of the Holy Spirit before Pentecost; this description implies that the Old Testament age did not have Holy Spirit indwelling or anyone with a new heart, and no Gentiles (non-Jews) ever saved before the “church age.”
- Understanding of the historical covenants needs to start before the Noahic covenant – going all the way back to Genesis 3:15 (the proto-evangelium) and the basic covenant of works that Adam transgressed (reference Hosea 6:7).
The concluding statement certainly holds true: “Theological covenants should not be imposed on the biblical historical covenants in any way that alters the meaning of the biblical historical covenants.” The term ‘historical covenants’ is preferred, the term used by teachers including S. Lewis Johnson — to distinguish these from the theological covenants, which also have biblical basis in the same manner as the word ‘Trinity’ is biblical though not explicitly stated as such in scripture.
The 19th century era of covenantal premillennialism certainly included some covenant theologians who used a full replacement “spiritualizing” hermeneutic, as seen in Horatius Bonar’s responses to spiritualizing Patrick Fairbairn. Yet, as noted by at least a few historians, that era did not put as great of an emphasis on a system of covenants as today (as for instance, today’s paedo-style CT that has every historical covenant as an administration of the Covenant of Grace). 19th century covenantal premillennialists taught that Abraham and other OT saints were part of the church, the one body of Christ, and placed emphasis on other aspects of Covenant Theology, such as sanctification per the Puritan Reformed model (including observance of the fourth commandment, the Christian Sabbath).
The following amillennial response (to the above linked article) is a common generalization and part of a “system” that goes beyond actual scripture and the proper use of typology, reflecting the issue noted above, of theological covenants being imposed in a way that alters the meaning of the historical covenants.
“7. Collectively and individually, the covenants consist of dozens of specific promises including spiritual, national (Israel), international, and material blessings. These elements are all important and intertwined. All elements will be fulfilled literally through two comings of Jesus (no need to typologically interpret or spiritualize the covenants).”
You’re going to be incredibly confused if you don’t recognize typology in the Old Covenant. The material blessings were typological of the spiritual blessings in the New. They do not continue and they will not be fulfilled “literally.”
Here I recall S. Lewis Johnson’s lessons on typology and its definition — which includes specific correspondences between an OT person, event or institution, and a corresponding New Testament fulfillment.
A good example of typology related to the historical and theological covenants will provide specific point-by-point comparisons, instead of a general concept (without specific scripture texts) that “Israel is a type of the church,” therefore “the material blessings… will not be fulfilled ‘literally’.” I conclude with a Spurgeon sermon which illustrates such specific “type” comparisons: recognizing the historicity of the Noahic covenant, yet noting many ways in which it is similar to, a picture or type of, the (Baptist definition) Covenant of Grace:
Genesis 9, Rainbow:
- reference Revelation 4:3 “rainbow around the throne.” The rainbow is not a temporary symbol for earth only, but is a symbol of everlasting and heavenly things!
- and Revelation 10:1, the mighty Angel whose head is crowned with a rainbow: our Lord Jesus Christ, in His mediatorial capacity, wears the symbol of the Covenant about His brow; and in the other passage, our Lord, as King, is represented as sitting upon the Throne, surrounded with the insignia of the Covenant of Grace which encompasses the Throne, so that there are no goings forth of His Majesty and His Power and His Grace, except in a covenant way, and after a covenant sort
The Tenor of the Covenant (features in common to both the Noahic covenant and the Covenant of Grace)
- Pure grace
- All of promise
- Has up to now been faithfully kept
- Does not depend in any degree upon man
- An everlasting covenant
Recent Future Of Israel Conference
After the recent excitement over the “Strange Fire” conference, some may have overlooked another conference held earlier this month in New York. “The people, the Land and the Future of Israel” conference featured several speakers including Dr. Michael Vlach, and the videos are now available. I’ve listened to a few of the messages so far, including Dr. Vlach’s and a panel concerning questions about current events in Israel.
Dr. Vlach’s message gives a brief summary of church history in reference to Israel’s future, considering the four main periods of church history: Patristic (A.D. 100 to about 450), Medieval, Reformation (16th century), and Post-Reformation (17th century to now). Using the same terminology as Barry Horner, he distinguishes between ‘replacement’ and ‘restoration’ views; the latter, restoration, refers to the belief of Israel now under divine judgment but having a future restoration as a nation (and restoration to their land). As noted in his lecture (and also in Dr. Vlach’s book ‘Has the Church Replaced Israel?’), the early church was premillennial but supersessionist — though with belief in a future salvation for ethnic Israel. Before the post-Reformation era, though, few Christians understood a restorationist view of Israel. Since the Reformation, though, and starting in the 17th century, we find many prominent theologians who have affirmed a future restoration of ethnic Israel.
What I’ve listened to from other messages is also interesting, including discussion about the middle East and current events related to Israel, and the future of Israel in light of the holocaust (Barry Leventhal).
The Judgment by Fire in 2 Peter 3
A recent topic has come up in my recent studies, both from S. Lewis Johnson’s 2 Peter series, and Robert D. Culver’s Daniel and the Latter Days. Culver’s Appendix 1 “The Time and Extent of the Coming World Dissolution” considers two issues in 2 Peter 3:1-10. First, is Peter referring to what happens at Christ’s Return, or to what occurs at the end of the thousand year millennial era? Second: the extent of the fire and destruction: complete annihilation of the Earth and a completely new Earth, or a renovation?
In the 2 Peter series Dr. Johnson shared reasons in support of the idea that the text is referring to Christ’s return, and in characteristic fashion also provided the reasons for it being after the 1000 years. Culver treats this question (and the first answer) in more depth, referencing several of the same points. For instance:
- The Old Testament prophets speak of a judgment by fire, that immediately precedes the beginning of the future Messianic kingdom. (Joel 2:30-31; Malachi 3:1-3, 4:1)
- The Old Testament repeatedly states that disturbances in the material heavens, of a type identical with those described by Peter, shall transpire immediately before the establishment of the kingdom. (Isaiah 34:4, 13:13, 51:6; Haggai 2:6-7; Joel 3:16) Culver further notes the citation of Haggai 2:6-7 in Hebrews 12:26 – “yet once more” – not twice – “will I make to tremble not the earth only but also the heaven.”
- The New Testament writers likewise affirm a judgment of fire associated with the Second Advent. (2 Thess. 1:7-8; Revelation 16:8-9)
- The coming kingdom shall occupy a regenerated earth from its beginning; therefore the purifying effects of this prophetic dissolution must be at the beginning, rather than at the close of the Millennium. (Isaiah 65:17-25, 66:22-24)
- The immediate context of 2 Peter 3:10 is the Second Coming itself, not something to take place 1000 years later. Peter addresses the argument of the skeptics, “Where is the promise of His coming?” and speaks of Christ’s coming.
- A perpetual and continuous kingdom such as is repeatedly promised demands that no such destruction as is often urged be placed at the end of the Millennium to interrupt the continuity of that kingdom. This is another good point from Culver’s book: the Kingdom of God is not limited to the first 1000 years. The first 1000 years is the period when Satan is bound before his final destruction, when fallen people in non-glorified bodies will be around, and the time between the two resurrections. But the Kingdom itself continues into the Eternal State of Revelation 21. Regarding the perpetuity of the kingdom, reference Luke 1:32-33; Daniel 7:18, 2:44, 7:14.
- In 2 Peter 3, Christians are exhorted to godly living, based on this predicted dissolution, as though this is something they should expect to see if they live to the end of the present age – rather than it being something at least 1000 years away. (Reference also the similar moral lesson in Mark 13:32-37; Matthew 24:42-51; and Luke 21:25-26 – the Olivet Discourse.)
The Nature and Extent of the Cosmic Changes
Culver is another of a few teachers who suggest a renovation of the Earth instead of annihilation and complete remaking of the earth. Dr. Vlach has also addressed this issue at his blog, along with the related idea of the New Creation model. S. Lewis Johnson in his Revelation series also referenced this idea:
He describes the makeup of the new creation in verse 1, “I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth passed away; and there is no longer any sea.” Not “another earth and another heaven,” but “a new earth and a new heaven.” In fact, the adjective that he uses, the adjective “new” here, one of several adjectives for new, particularly one of the two primary ones is a word that means something like fresh, a fresh heavens and a fresh earth. And the sense that one gets from it is that there is a correspondence between the new heavens and the new earth and the present heavens and the present earth. But the new one is a fresh one, a correspondence that is suggested by other things in the word of God.
In my own regular Bible readings, when I come to 2 Peter 3 I have noticed also, that Peter makes comparison to the first judgment and change to the Earth, the flood: “the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.” Yet the actual Earth is the same as then, the same actual planet — with plenty of the scars, the evidences, of that great deluge and what great destruction happened then. Then the comparison to “the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire” suggests a parallel event: not annihilation but a remodeling, a renewal, of the same actual planet.
The Book of Hebrews and Futurist Eschatology
Dr. Michael Vlach recently observed that there is “more futuristic eschatology in Hebrews than many realize.” He mentioned particular references from his own study: Hebrews 2:8, 9:28, 12:26-27, and especially Hebrews 13:14.
Those are good verses for study, and here I also recall the Second Coming references in the verses cited in Hebrews 1. In this previous post I noted several from S. Lewis Johnson’s Hebrews series, including Psalm 2, Psalm 89, and Deuteronomy 32, all of which in context refer to our Lord’s Second Coming. The Greek translation of Hebrews 1:6 (and in some English versions – NKJV, NASB, HCSB, a few others) is also interesting: “when He again brings His firstborn into the world” followed by a quotation from an OT text which is in the context of Christ’s ruling and reigning (Second Coming activities); see this previous post.
I remember when, in my daily genre readings, the Hebrews 9:28 verse suddenly jumped out at me. The local amillennial preterist church put considerable emphasis on the immediately preceding verses: he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment – while ignoring the very next verse:
so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
Since the pastor at the same church picks one verse out of context (Hebrews 1:2) to justify the presupposition that all New Testament references to the last days are really talking about the Church Age (beginning in the first century), it really isn’t that surprising that the same attitude would emphasize the past work verses in Hebrews (such as Hebrews 9:26-27) while neglecting the next verse, one of several great references to our blessed hope of Christ’s appearing (see also Titus 2:13). I have previously blogged about a Preterist distortion of another of the futurist texts, Hebrews 12:26-27: twisted reasoning that actually thinks the “great shaking” spoken of by Haggai the prophet, and referenced in Hebrews, happened at the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. The time compression forced on the scriptures (see Alva McClain’s quote in this previous post), trying to “fit” all future eschatological events into what happened in the 1st century, is indeed deceitful handling of God’s word.
Since even the book of Hebrews includes futurist eschatology, it is not surprising to find that non-premillennial, non-futurist teachers have indeed given their own Preterist interpretations of the very texts which are futurist. Yet I still find it ironic that Hebrews, a book that does have so many references to events of the Second Coming, is made of such great emphasis among the very people who take a strong supersessionist (no future for Israel), Preterist, amillennial view of God’s word (the NCT community, referenced in this TMS audio lecture series).
As others have shared as well, it does happen (for me as well) that we sometimes experience such mishandling and misinterpretation of passages from God’s word, that whenever we read those passages, the wrong view is also remembered. Yet we must go forward, focusing on right doctrine and teaching, recalling to mind the great positives in scripture as it actually is presented, as we continue looking forward to our blessed hope of Christ’s soon return.
Michael Vlach Conference Series: Our Fantastic Future
Here’s a good recent lecture series, from Michael Vlach at the Parker Bible Church (Parker, CO) 2012 Men’s Conference: Our Fantastic Future. This conference series was held in April, and the four parts are available for listening to online or downloading in MP3 format.
From the first message, an introduction to eschatology:
The Old Testament predicted several things
- The seed of the woman who will conquer the serpent, and the future reversal of the curse: Genesis 3
- Abraham and the nation Israel to bring blessing to all the earth: Genesis 12
- Scattering and restoration of Israel: Deuteronomy 30:1-10
- The Suffering Servant AND the Reigning Messiah. Isaiah 52-53; Zech. 14; 2 Samuel 7; Isaiah 9, 11, other passages regarding the reigning Messiah.
- Day of the Lord judgment upon the world: Isaiah 13, Zeph 1, Isaiah 24, Joel 2-3
- Tribulation and Rescue of Israel: Jeremiah 30-33, Zech 12-14, Daniel 7, Daniel 9
- Coming Earthly Kingdom: Isaiah 11, 9, Zech 14 and others
- Inclusion of Gentiles alongside Israel as God’s people: Gen. 12:3, Isaiah 19:24-25, Isaiah 61
- Coming Career and Defeat of AntiChrist: Daniel 7 and 9.
Since Messiah’s coming has two phases to it, a First Coming and a Second Coming, we should expect that certain expectations of the Old Testament would be fulfilled with Jesus’ First Coming while others await His Second Coming.
Why We Should Study Eschatology
- So much of scripture deals with the topic. Christ thought it important
- Fulfilled prophecy is strong evidence for the truthfulness and supernatural nature of the Bible. Great testimony to the inspiration of scripture
- Major sections of the NT discuss events still to come after the First Coming of Jesus: Matthew 24-25, Mark 13, Luke 21, 1 Thess. 4-5, 2 Thess. 1-2, 2 Peter 3, Revelation 4-22.
- Christianity offers a comprehensive view of reality, a world-view, including what will take place in the future. The Christian world view has four major aspects:
- Creation
- The Fall, Sin — the human problem
- The Answer: the God-man, His solution for mankind
- Restoration of all things: we know where things are headed. Acts 3:21, Colossians 1:15-20.
- Studying Prophecy can wake us up and make us alert to what God is doing in the world. God IS working in our history including our own time.
Tips For Approaching Bible Prophecy
- Be consistent by interpreting prophetic passages as you would other parts of scripture; the hermeneutical approach.
- Avoid an approach that interprets most of the Bible literally and contextually, and then spiritualizes or allegorizes the prophetic sections.
- When scripture does use symbols in the context of prophecy, remember that there is a literal meaning behind the symbols. Literal interpretation takes into account symbols and figures of speech.
- Understand that God’s purposes for the future include both spiritual AND physical elements. Romans 8 — this creation being restored.
- God has plans for both individuals AND nations.
- Understand that the Two Comings of Christ means that certain OT prophecies were fulfilled at His first coming while other things await the Second Coming.
- Be familiar with the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. The New Testament includes at least 250 quotations from the Old Testament, references which supply more of the background. Beyond the direct quotations, the New Testament also includes many more allusions to the Old Testament.
Nations in the Eternal State: The New Creation Model
From Vlach’s “Has the Church Replaced Israel?” (see my review here), chapter 15 brings out some further thoughts concerning the biblical understanding of the Eternal State and God’s purpose for nations.
Last year I blogged (this post) about the New Creation model of eternity, as contrasted with the Spiritual Vision model which has dominated the Christian church, after reading Vlach’s blog series (see the last one, part 7 here). The Christoplatonism that Randy Alcorn describes has come about from the Greek philosophical influences upon Christianity during the Augustinian era (4th and 5th centuries A.D.), along with other negative effects of allegory on the Christian church. Yet a closer look at the Bible’s descriptions of the Eternal state, especially in Revelation 21-22, show a very different concept of eternity: a world with nations and kings, people traveling in and out of gates, and engaging in activities similar to our present experience.
When I first studied premillennialism, I recognized the idea of nations during the 1000 year millennial kingdom. Now I see more clearly, from what is said in God’s word, that the role of nations (as well as the concept of time) extends beyond that period, into the New Heavens and New Earth. For one thing, the Abrahamic covenant promises dealing with the land do not stipulate a time limitation (i.e., 1000 years), but “forever.” Reference Genesis 13:15, Genesis 17:8, and 48:4.
If the land promise is “forever,” that suggests that the people the promise (a group of people, a nation) is made to will also exist forever, which goes beyond phase 1 of the Millennial Kingdom.
Revelation 21 and 22, along with parallel statements in Isaiah 60, specifically mention the nations and their rulers.
- Revelation 21:24-26: By its lightwill the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, andits gates will never be shut by day-andthere will be no night there. They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations.
- Revelation 22:2: The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Isaiah 60 verses 5 and 11 speak of the nations coming and bringing their wealth, and the gates being open, and “their kings led in procession.” Isaiah 60 may refer to the Millennial Kingdom, but not exclusively, and the parallel to Revelation 21 certainly suggests that the Eternal State, New Heavens and New Earth, is also in mind.
Many other texts throughout the Bible speak of nations: the Psalms often speak of the nations giving praise (which has never been the case in this world). God has used nations to deal out his vengeance upon erring Israel, and also punished nations by supernatural action. Isaiah 19 describes “in that day” the existence of three nations that will be blessed: Israel, Egypt and Assyria.
Chapter 15 of Vlach’s book addresses in more detail the issues mentioned above – the New Creation model and what the scriptures have to say about the nations — and then takes the matter to its next logical step. If nations exist in eternity, and people in the New Earth have identity with nations, then why not have Israel as a nation as well? The biblical case for nations, both in the Millennial Kingdom as well as in the New Creation Eternal State, is abundantly clear, so why would God’s purposes for the nations exclude the nation Israel?
Dispelling Common Myths of Dispensationalism
Often I grow weary of the continual misrepresentations concerning biblical dispensationalism. In the blogosphere, recent references include posts from Michael Vlach How Two Covenant Theologians View Dispensationalism and Clearing Up a Misrepresentation in regard to Christ’s Prophetic Plans; also Dr. Henebury’s Misrepresentations of Dispensationalism with discussion reference to Vlach’s posts.
The Cripplegate blog also periodically discusses biblical dispensationalism and what it really is. The negative stereotypes persist in spite of the overwhelming information available both positively (what dispensationalists believe) and in refuting the myths and lies. From the comment activity at a recent Cripplegate blog post, for instance, a few people suggested (apparently recalling the evangelical scene of many years ago when the majority of dispensational churches were Arminian and doctrinally light) that “this view”(what Matt Weymeyer sets forth, in his review of Michael Vlach’s book about Dispensationalism) is an ideal that doesn’t really exist, what dispensationalism should be but isn’t really, or even that this view is somehow unique to the Masters Seminary.
In answer to that particular idea, I observe that many churches and individuals around the world hold to “this view” of dispensationalism, people not at all associated with TMS, as for instance Believer’s Chapel in Dallas, with the full archive from the late S. Lewis Johnson (a generation before John MacArthur); Dan Phillips (blog writer here and also here, see also this church site); Jim McClarty, Steven Lawson, and Bob DeWaay. Refer also to the churches listed here. This, the biblical understanding of dispensationalism, is widespread and not some ideal of “what should be,” and is far from something restricted to Weymeyer, Vlach and TMS.
Another common response is to mention the “popular effect” on evangelism from the likes of LaHaye and Jenkins. Here, refer to Dan Phillips’ classic post, 25 Stupid Reasons For Dissing Dispensationalism, #14. LaHaye and Jenkins do not speak for all of dispensational thought, and certainly not for serious and scholarly work. Every doctrinal viewpoint has its “undesirables,” the crack-pots who misrepresent those who seriously believe the true teaching. Harold Camping is amillennialist, but dispensationalists do not routinely criticize CTers by telling them that they believe everything that Harold Camping believes. Just because people like to continue repeating the same myths — which are not fair or accurate representations of what the majority of dispensationalists believe — does not make those ideas true.
Others of course like to point to some aberrant teaching of Scofield and Chafer, but again that does not relate to biblical Calvinist dispensationalists. And as to the claim that dispensationalism teaches two ways of salvation, that the Jews were saved by following the law, refer to this article from Tony Garland.
One person actually came up with another objection, a less common one that I had not yet come across: Supposedly Dispensational Premils believe in “progressive revelation” BUT when they come to the NT despite there being no mention in the NT of a 7 Year Tribulation, no mention of a pre-trib Rapture, no mention of a rebuilt Temple, no mention of Christ reigning on earth where sin and death still oppress they affirm these things regardless. If Dispensationalists truly believed in progressive revelation they would recognize that the NT progressively reveals nothing about the above realities as a part of the future.
The obvious answer to that involves knowing our Bibles (and for a good reading plan to regularly read a lot of God’s word, I recommend the Horner Genre Reading plan and variations on it). In answer to that person’s claims, here are several NT texts that specifically address these very issues:
- Reference to the great tribulation: Revelation 7:14
- Time-references to the tribulation period: Revelation 11:2-3; 12:6; 12:14;13:5
- Pre-trib rapture: the timing of the rapture is never explicitly taught in scripture, but can only be inferred from other texts, and at any rate it is not essential to dispensationalism. Yet the concept of the rapture is taught in the NT, 1 Thess. 4:17.
- Rebuilt temple (the tribulation-era temple): Matthew 24:15, 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 11:2
- Christ reigning on earth where sin and death still oppress: Revelation 20:4-10
It turned out that this last person was a preterist, one who had not only redefined his own reading of the scriptures but insisted that his “interpretation” of scripture is the only literal, true and correct meaning, thus “proving” his point that dispensationalists do not have any NT texts in support of their view. Really?? Even noted amillennial and postmillennial theologians of the past have at least accepted and acknowledged the fact that if the Bible were interpreted literally it would lead one to conclude that these prophecies must be literally fulfilled in the future. (Reference, for instance, Floyd Hamilton and Loraine Boettner, and quotes from Hamilton and O.T. Allis here.)
Zechariah 14 and God’s Divine Purpose
I’ve just finished S. Lewis Johnson’s series through Zechariah. Zechariah 14 is of course one of the great OT chapters with so much to say about the Second Coming and the Kingdom. Dr. Johnson noted the problems of spiritualizing, and the importance of recognizing the difference between figures of speech used within a passage, and wholesale allegorizing or spiritualizing to alter the meaning to something else; Zechariah 14 is an especially difficult passage to spiritualize.
Here is a great quote from him, regarding the believers and the missionaries in Korea in the early 20th century (from the later transcript, second series in Zechariah:
C. G. Trumbull who was at one time associated with the Sunday-School Times took a trip to Korea where a tremendous work of evangelization had taken place in the early part of this century. In fact, there was a great revival there and Mr. Trumbull was interested in the way in which they had responded to the word of God concerning the second coming of Christ. And so, he asked one of the Koreans whether the Korean Christians believed in the second coming of Christ. And he received this answer, “Oh, yes, they believe the Bible. It’s only when some missionaries come and tell them something different that they begin to have any doubts.”
When one reads the Bible and reads in its normal plain speaking then, I think, the answer usually is, we sense there’s going to be some great disturbances in the future, we see that the Lord Jesus Christ is going to come, we see that he is going to fulfill the promises that he has made to the nation Israel, and we see he’s going to rule and reign upon the earth. That seems to be the simple reading of the word of God.
Actually, I agree that Zechariah 14 is difficult to spiritualize, and yet of course the allegorizers persist in doing so, since the imagination can come up with so much — yet such treatment leaves the text with nothing of its original plain meaning, becoming instead the inspired version of the “exalted” human teacher who tells us what God really meant to say.
Here are some great recent articles regarding Zechariah 14, from Michael Vlach:
As I’m finding out through a study through Hebrews (also with S. Lewis Johnson), that book also has many references to the Second Coming, including the Kingdom age. The OT scriptures quoted in chapter 1 are filled with references to the Davidic covenant and Israel’s future. Hebrews 2 quotes Psalm 8, a great psalm regarding man’s intended dominion over the earth: something begun in Genesis 1, but we do not now see it; we will see it in the kingdom. S. Lewis Johnson specifically noted that in Hebrews 2:5 (which introduces the citation of Psalm 8 ) the words “the world to come” do not refer to this age (the church), and do not refer to the Eternal State, but to the kingdom of God upon the earth.
As Michael Vlach also noted in the third blog article link above:
These conditions of Zechariah 14 can only occur in an intermediate kingdom between the present age and the eternal state. While people from all nations are being saved in the church age, the nations themselves do not obey our Lord (see Psalm 2). In fact, they persecute those who belong to the Lord. In the coming kingdom Jesus will rule the nations while He is physically present on earth. The nations will obey and submit to His rule, but as Zechariah 14 points out, whenever a nation does not act as they should there is punishment. On the other hand, in the eternal state there will be absolutely no disobedience on the part of the nations. The picture of the nations in the eternal state is only positive. The kings of the nations bring their contributions to the New Jerusalem (see Rev 21:24) and the leaves of the tree of life are said to be for the healing of the nations (see Rev 22:2).